Perth Mountain Bike Club

Kudos to you FastFred - all your recent trail activity in the region has held up well, and offers much more interesting alternatives to the traditional fireroad sections on the "old school" trail loop.

I don't see any significant fall line sections in Whore No More, no major trees were cut to build it, the trail isn't cut against the camber of the hill and it retains a great flow both ways despite what some may think. I firmly believe it's going to hold up well over time. The switches might chew out a bit, but show me a technical singletrack through WA laterite where that doesn't happen.

Essentially an excellent addition to the singletrack in the area, now all I have to do is stop breaking parts of my bike so I can ride it more regularly.

Cheers for your hard work.

"Make mine a blue one" said Mr Squirrell!

I assume you mean ridden the Hoe without dabbing? Little Timmy Bennett, Ian and I have. I assume the Dark Snake and Toby have. There'd be a few more out there I'm sure. Cobby would have yesterday but his bike mechanic is rubbish so his rear derailleur wouldn't work proper and stuff.

I think the climb will cut up over the winter, I guess we'll just have to use our granny rings then.

Jimmy

See the happy moron
he doesnt give a damn,
I wish I were a moron
my god perhaps I am.

now now fellas, cant keep flogging a dead horse.
Assuming its his first and now his last post, or an alias, for example jimmy creating another user name to vent his frustrations.

It is amazing that on the front page of the website there is a BIG post that says" Trail building Workshop" If you choose to read under that you will find all the info you need. I won't say anymore just so you can explore the website.

People are welcome to come on the Thursday night and Saturday if they can't make the Friday.

i have not replied to previous posts because i didnt want to get into a tit for tat argument about who can or cant ride, or who can build the better trails. so i guess we can disscuss what we all think about trail building.

the point i was trying to make is that the track might not last the winter because of the braking ruts and tight corners. we should be building trails that are sustainable and last a long time. i think the trail will suffer from erosion over winter. so this erosion will affect the surrounding bush which i think is bad. if the corners where widened ( among other fixes) and made to last, the track might last as it has an out slope on the track so some water may wash off the trail.
i did not set out to stir the pot i was worked up after riding the track,so posted this because i just care for the enviro and want the trails built to last.

bitches, ride the fuck out of the trail. run some 2.7's through there that ought to chew it up (hehehehehehehe)! luv ya cobby.BRETTLZ

Congrats stumpcrasher. You have given the Hoe a lot of publicity.
Now I want to ride it, to see for myself. Where is it?
I invite you to ride Wals track. Its how real trails should be.

Mate - not everyone enters the site from the front door - ever hear of a shortcut straight to the meaty stuff (forums)? Unfortunately in this case I missed some meat - my loss. Anyway I asked the question, and had my head bitten off - I got the info and went to the presentation. If I hadn't asked the question, I would still be none the wiser.

Anyway to cut the cr@p, I have ridden the hoe (uphill only) and as tough as it is is, I take my hat off to those who toiled and think it will age to become a great piece of single track.

certainly wasn't trying to bite your head off netorious77.

Cobby you have made some pretty interesting observations. IF you do a job half arsed does that mean it is better than someone who hasn't done the job but has an understanding of what is required? It sounds to me that STumpcrasher understands and is trying to achieve the same thing as the rest of us. The Hoe has some potential and to this stage is a great climb. much better than the whore. But as I climbed it I made the same observations. That is it needs better corners with some consideration to water run off and braking ruts.

how true this is.

Any chance of mentioning skill, fitness level and riding style (DH XC etc.) when passing comment on a trail experience. It would help planning rides to suit needs and create less predjudice on judgements made of any trail, adding positively to the MTB community.

Learning the proper skills and getting increased fitness on suitable trails can also lead to greater interest in participation in the competetive aspect of the sport which grows the sport and the club.

And for the sake of parity, give the up and down versions of the trail.

P.S Pile Road and the "Wal's Track" part of it are a top ride that i enjoy when visiting family in Bunbury. Nice work Wal hope to see you out there sometime.

Gez
XC Rider
Sport A Class middle of the pack.

Well said Bron.

With respect to your last comment, I can understand the motivation for trail building, despite the legality issues. When there are no alternatives, well, what are you going to do?
However, things ARE changing. The recent coming together of trail 'pirates' and DEC at the IMBA workshop was a great positive. DEC have shown that they have understood that there is a need for MTB trails, and that they are committing time, effort and money into trails development. It is great to see this positive attitude toward our needs from land managers.

Therefore, I think PMBC should take on the responsibility of raising awareness of the issues relating to trails building in WA, to try to adjust the 'outsider' attitude that may have developed out there amongst trail builders. There is a lot of energy and enthusiasm among the mountain biking community and we should be attempting to direct this in a manner which will not be detrimental to long term aims and relationships with land managers.

We can, and will (if we do it right), build a fun, sustainable and legal trail network in WA.

Hear, hear!

Perhaps a summary of the discussions from the Trail Building Seminar/Workshops could be posted on the PMBC site to help fill everyone in on the Big Picture as it currently stands?

Hi "stumpcrasher" have you been out to the Whore No More (WNM) lately? Probably not.... since you hate it so much.
Well any way if you did go and check it out you would actually see that the trail has stood the test of winter even with the excess amount of rain we have had.
If you knew anything about building trails.... (which I would say you don't since it sounds like you work for DEC they way you talk) ... you would know that a trail is like a fine wine, it only gets better with age.
I have riden WNM many times on the weekends rain hail & shine and have most time bumped into people riding the trail. So I would say if that amount of people are riding it then it can't be that bad. Maybe you should just stick to the fire brakes.

So to all those people out there that liked WNM ... keep your eyes peeled.
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I belive in Trail fairys

alltrax things are happening but not at warp speed. This time of year isn't the time to build either. Come October November we should see some things happening on the 4x at the Goatfarm (a public design meeting will be held 7th September).

And the Kalamunda Circuit will hopefully progress between October and April.

How many people here turned up to the DEC sponsored Trail Building work shop with they guy from the US. Also how many have turned up to the organised busy bees This would show who should be building with APPROVED sustainability in mind and not their own opinions of how trails should be made and Maintained if at all HATS OFF TO TRACKMAN FOR ALL HIS EFFORTS IN DEALING WITH DEC This should get a few bites HAHA

The Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

Thanks for the info John.
In the past I have heard straight from the horses mouth (DEC) that it isn't viable to build trails through the dryer months as the soil (gravel ) will not compact and they have used that reason for trail building not progressing, also the heat factor through summer would eliminate some of the available days between October and April.
Most of us realise that it is a lack of DECS resources that is holding up the progress for new trail networks. With the State election looming do you think it is time for some lobbying to be done?

Cheers

Alltrax

It is DEC who want us to build in October and November. It is them that gets to decide these things. we definitely won't be building during DEcember to March becasue of the dry weather.

AS for 7Stanes that will be an example of trail management and promotion that I think will be taken on by different areas in WA. Julie Cartner from 7 Stanes visited Perth and was impressed and impressive.

The Goat Farm is our seedling 7stanes - sort of a Proof of Concept, I guess you could say - especially from the land manager's perspective. With that in mind, keep your eyes peeled for an announcement about a major trails maintenance day up at the Goat Farm. It's extremely important to show that we can look after the infrastructure that we have.